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Jochen Weber's avatar

To yes-and a bit... I hear your frustration about what may appear as overly selfish expressions of desires and preferences. *And* (on the other hand) I also see that for both individuals and groups, it may simply be very difficult to truly ever represent others' preferences *as well* as I can do that for me and the groups I belong to.

So it may be necessary to spell out what the primary identity of "human being" (one's humanity, if you will) actually entails.

One important aspect came out of the conversation I had with Jeremy Bray (posted the video on my YouTube channel, but not yet the transcript, which I am still working on, to make it more legible): for as long as we *perceive and treat* others as the feeble mental models they leave like shadows behind in our minds, we will likely not be able to come to any lasting agreements on conflicts that arise out of strongly held differences in preferences, including preferences about who gets to live where, and how are resources to be distributed.

And it seems to me that, yes, only people who have fully appreciated their own humanity can actually *do* that well -- where they (re-) present to others their preferences, while at the same time fully engaging with the humanity of these others.

Just this morning, I had the thought that one critical ingredient (for myself, anyway) in developing that ability to remain connected with the humanity in others is to fully appreciate that my humanity does not arise out of my bodily survival. In other words, the only person who can "destroy" (or reject) *MY* humanity is me. Even if I am mistreated, beaten, tortured, or killed by someone, my humanity remains fully intact, so long as I am not willing to give it up. But once I start to look at myself like a row in a spreadsheet, where what matters most is that my body is still around tomorrow, and I am willing to, for instance, become the tool in someone else's grand plans, by following orders (that might put others in harms way, say), then I have given up my own humanity, out of fear of dying.

It is truly tragic that when human beings learn how to make important decisions that trade off their own values, they learn to prioritize material over spiritual wellbeing. And as much as I believe you find (major) religions are a potential source of danger for humanity, at the very least they do teach people that the important part, the essence of what makes life truly valuable, is not the body. You do need a body, and it is important to do whatever you can to secure its wellbeing -- but not above and beyond keeping your humanity. If you are willing to leave your humanity behind in order to survive, then maybe you are no longer a true human being after all, since you decided you would rather live like an animal than die as a man...

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Zippy's avatar

The second paragraph of this essay describes the hell-deep reservoir of fear sorrow & anger just beneath the surface of our dreadful sanity

http://www.dabase.org/spacetime.htm

Two related essays

http://www.dabase.org/hardware.htm Hardware Software & Transcendence

http://beezone.com/current/sciencemysticismlove.html

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